Web Style Guide

January 18, 2004 - Posted by André Restivo

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10 Comments

  1. Ronaldo says:

    I guess they never have visited the CSS Zen Garden…

    ... on July January 19th, 2004
  2. Andre Restivo says:

    Guess not …

    ... on July January 19th, 2004
  3. Sérgio Carvalho says:

    I wouldn’t give the advice of using table based layouts in such a definitive manner as the Web Style Guide. However, until we have complete support for the CSS2 display property, table based layout is much more efficient for some situations — just try getting a liquid three column layout to work in IE5.

    Bottom line: Try standards, and only deviate if needed. Getting to know when it’s needed is the trick, though.

    ... on July January 19th, 2004
  4. Sérgio Nunes says:

    I think that it’s just a matter of “thinking different”(tm). Here is a simple example that works on IE 5 to 6 and Gecko. (I’ve only tested on windows…) http://www.icicom.up.pt/~ssn/sandBox/layout_flexivel_3colunas.html

    ... on July January 23rd, 2004
  5. ed says:

    I disagree. There’s a question almost nobody asks: since when are tables not standard? In fact, tables still work better as a standard than CSS. Why hacking away CSS to make a page look exactly similar in IE and Mozilla when I can use a table which, as a bonus, is somewhat retrocompatible? I’ve had enough of that crap when I was designing sites which were supposed to look the same in IE4 and Netscape 4.0… The bottom line is: There are newer standards put forth by the W3C and which are starting to get a nice degree of support in modern browsers. But the existence of new standards doesn’t invalidate older standards which work as standards as well. My advice is: do whatever works best for you to make a page look the same in all browsers (if that’s what you want). Although I can appreciate some merits in the newer standards and use some functionalities a lot, I’m not losing precious time and getting headaches over exercises in self-conscious website coding which, trust me, 99.5% of the visitors won’t ever appreciate. They just want a good layout, never mind what lurks beneath.

    ... on July January 26th, 2004
  6. André Restivo says:

    http://davespicks.com/essays/notables.html http://archive.scripting.com/2002/02/13#areTablesReallyEvil

    ... on July January 26th, 2004
  7. André Restivo says:

    And this quote from ALA:

    If you think about it, there are two ways to create standards-compliant sites: one that complies with the letter of web standards, and the other that complies with their spirit.

    http://www.alistapart.com/articles/journey/

    ... on July January 26th, 2004
  8. André Restivo says:

    All in all it’s just that we want to separate content from design and that’s what CSS is all about.

    ... on July January 26th, 2004
  9. Sérgio Nunes says:

    And don’t forget that with tables you are in a “dead end”. You can’t change the layout without changing the struture of the content.

    With CSS you can easily change the page layout (3 col, 2 col, whatever) while keeping the struture “intact”

    I think that *newcommers* are best served with CSS.

    ... on July January 26th, 2004
  10. Victor says:

    another resourse about web page layout
    http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/products/webwave/web_page_layout.php

    ... on July September 15th, 2005

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